A packed house hears the plan
Written by Jessica Cejnar, The Triplicate
February 06, 2014 03:59 pm
Del Norte Triplicate
New-state advocate Mark Baird and others seek Del Norte County’s support
More than 300 people listen as Mark Baird explains the proposal to carve the state of Jefferson out of Northern California. Del Norte Triplicate / Bryant Anderson
During his second visit to Del Norte County on Tuesday as the leading advocate of an effort to create the state of Jefferson, Yreka pilot Mark Baird outlined what it would take to “escape” California and what role the Board of Supervisors is being asked to play.
A town hall meeting hosted by the Del Norte County State of Jefferson Declaration Committee drew more than 300 people, who filled nearly every seat and stood along the edges of the room at the county fairgrounds. They punctuated Baird’s comments with raucous applause and the occasional shout of approval. Many also purchased sweat shirts, bumper stickers and flags emblazoned with the “Great Seal of the State of Jefferson.”
The audience included county elected officials and staff, as well as members of the Crescent City Council. During a question-and-answer period, queries were made about how prisons and schools would be funded, how water rights would be affected and exactly what the state boundaries would be.
Baird and fellow speakers Terry Rapoza and Robert Smith from Shasta County acknowledged they didn’t know all the answers. But, they said, counties would have control over their natural resources because there would be fewer regulations, fewer state agencies and a part-time legislature.
“I can’t tell you dollars and cents that you personally are going to be better off,” Baird said. “We don’t know how many counties are going to join; we don’t know what the state is going to look like until we find out how many counties are going to join.”
Three counties so far
So far, Siskiyou, Modoc and Glenn counties have approved declarations to withdraw from California. Tehama County supervisors decided last month to allow voters to weigh in on the issue in June.
Clothing and other items bear “The Great Seal of the State of Jefferson.” Del Norte Triplicate / Bryant Anderson
Local Declaration Committee members have made two unsuccessful attempts to place the issue before the Del Norte County Board of Supervisors for a vote. Supervisors have called for a fiscal analysis and asked county staff to determine how services would be affected if the Jefferson state effort succeeded.
A Board of Supervisors vote on a declaration to withdraw from California is a petition, Baird said, and would cost the county nothing. If Del Norte supervisors don’t support the resolution, Baird said he and other advocates would move on to other counties.
Once the declaration resolutions have been collected, Jefferson advocates would submit them to the Legislature, Baird said, adding he hoped an assemblyman and a state senator would be willing to read the declaration into the legislative record.
From there, a simple majority vote in both state houses would be needed to move the proposal to the U.S. Congress, where majority approval would also be required. Creating Jefferson would not require a signature from California’s governor or the president, he said, citing the U.S. Constitution.
A second strategy
If California lawmakers don’t approve the Jefferson state declaration, advocates can still fight for adequate representation by challenging a 1964 U.S. Supreme Court case, Reynolds v. Sims,, Baird said.
“To have a federal attack on a Supreme Court decision we have to have standing,” he said. “If California lets us withdraw, there is no federal challenge. If we take the declarations from 10 counties or whatever it ends up being and present those and ask for legislation and the Legislature in California ignores us, then the counties who have asked for this withdrawal have standing. Harm has been committed. They were ignored and denied representation.”
In Reynolds v. Sims, the court ruled that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment requires that legislative districts across states be equal in population. The case challenged redistricting schemes in Alabama, which in 1964 still reflected population levels from the 1900 census, according to a PBS.org presentation on Supreme Court history.
Prior to 1964, each county in California had its own state senator, Baird said. If a case challenge was successful, California would return to a pre-1964 representative model, he said.
“That would be an incredibly positive step, and then from there we would be free to decide whether we needed to proceed (with Jefferson state) or not,” Baird said, adding that representation in the state Assembly would still be population-based.
Enough for basic services?
During the question-answer session, Supervisor Mike Sullivan asked Baird how the Jefferson state movement would affect projects and services that are funded by the state, as well as the county’s ability to provide basic services.
“The question would be do we have enough to provide the basic law enforcement, basic services within the county for the residents?” Sullivan asked, adding that according to the county auditor Del Norte County generates about $32 million in property tax, income tax, fire prevention and other fees. “At least do we have enough for basic services based on what’s generated here regardless of what the rest of the state of Jefferson does. Does Del Norte have enough here?”
Better political representation would put Del Norte County in a better situation to receive federal funding, Baird said.
“I say yes, we have plenty of money to cover basic services,” Baird said. “We’re working up those budgetary numbers for you right now. I can’t tell you the dollars and cents, but my answer in the short term is absolutely yes, because if we eliminate state police, if we eliminate Caltrans, if we allocate those moneys to counties, basic services are covered.”
Supervisors Gerry Hemmingsen and Roger Gitlin also attended. A Board of Supervisors workshop has been scheduled for Feb. 27. Baird won’t be able to attend, according to the local declaration committee. County officials are expected to present their findings at that workshop.
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http://www.teapartymedia.net/20131215/#.UrsQcPuafNk Mark Baird’s interview on We the People 12-15-13
http://www.teapartymedia.net/xx/ Terry Rapoza’s interview on Free Fire Radio 12-23-13
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On, Dec. 3, 2013, the Tehama Board of Supervisors voted 4 to 1 to place the Declaration and Petition to withdraw from the State of California on the June Ballot. These courageous Supervisors deserve our thanks for the stand they have taken. One Supervisor, choose not to vote for the ballot method of approval because he wanted to affirm the Declaration to Withdraw right on the spot in order to save time and get the process under way sooner. Tehama County voted for a state split in 1992 by a margin of over 75 percent. The committee welcomes the Great County of Tehama to the movement to create the first Article 4 Section 3 State Split in 150 years.
The State of California continues to give us more and more reason to leave. The State Water Board has written a letter to the USFS and copied all of its radical environmental front groups, suggesting the Public Trust Doctrine be used to reopen the Scott River Water Adjudication. This is an overt attempt to subvert or set precedence for a Constitutional Take of property in Siskiyou County.
Water rights are real property in California but that never stops the existing government in its quest to gain control of all surface and subsurface water in California. If successful, this precedence will be taken south to other counties. Once again Siskiyou County is being used as a test case. We have seen this many times in the past.
The government of California is the enemy of freedom and Liberty and will stop at nothing to set precedence in order to take this program to the rest of California. The Public Trust is a doctrine based in English Common law in order to protect the ability of people to travel on navigable water ways.
California and the radical environmental groups have used judicial activism, sue and settle, junk science and other methods to change the Public Trust Doctrine deprive people of their ability to earn a living from the land which they pay for and pay taxes on.
The Time Has Come For 51
Mark Baird Jefferson Declaration Committee
Several questions were recently put to Mark Baird asking for answers on our reasoning why we desire to separate into a 51st state. It is easy enough to figure out the questions, so here are Mark’s responses.
The State of Jefferson has nothing to do with social justice.
Social justice is a utopian myth created by Karl Marx and Joseph Engels. Social Justice as applied to government, is a tool used by very powerful, and usually very wealthy individuals, to control large populations. I have in my career, travelled the world. I have seen socialism and communism fail in every single instance. Tens of millions of human beings have suffered and died under the banner of social justice. The failure of wealth redistribution is a very long story. Too long for an email. If you are really interested in the truth about the failure of social justice, we can speak of this, perhaps another time.
Our movement is for representation, guaranteed us under Article Four, Section 4 of the United States Constitution.
The United States of America is unique in the world for ONE reason. Certain recognitions were made by our Founders. Certain “truths”, which became the basis of our government. Our experiment in Constitutional Republic, changed the world forever. These ” self evident” truths are that all men, are created equal and are endowed by their creator, with certain inalienable rights. Among, (not limited to, but only some of), those rights are Life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Freedom and Liberty are not the same.
In order to secure our Liberties, we traded some of our freedom, to government. In effect, we traded a portion of the right to do whatever we want, whenever we want, in order to provide a mechanism, (government), for defense of the Liberties we hold most dear. Our “deal” with government is that there are some things the people will allow, however government must recognize and be held accountable for one fact. Government derives all of its “just” power only by consent of the governed.
The above paragraph boils down to representation. We need no permission from government to conduct our lives. We do need representation, however, to ensure that government does not reach into areas in which, government has no jurisdiction. We need representation, to ensure that the monies for which we are taxed, are used, not only to good purpose, but also used as the people who work for, and pay those taxes wish them to be spent. Remember the old saying, ” no taxation without representation”?
Government is power, nothing more. Absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Representation is the only check on that power.
We, in rural northern California have no effective representation. The Supreme Court saw to this in 1965. We had representation by County for the State Senate, and representation by population in the State Assembly. This is also a long story, which began with the original 13 Colonies. Once again, of you are really interested in the truth, we can speak further, in another venue.
Suffice it to say, that the Federal model of government allows representation by area, no matter how small or how sparsely with the United States Senate. Two Senators for each State regardless of size or population. California, along with many other states had a Federal model of government until 1965. Yet the Supreme Court stepped into what one Justice referred to as ” the political thicket”, when they acted to deny this right to the several states, even though it was the model of government expressly spelled out in our Constitution.
Los Angeles, now has around thirty representatives. The northern third of California has three!
Each State Assembly person represents 450,000 people. Each State Senator, represents 950,000 people. George Washington said, “One representative for each thirty thousand people is Liberty. One representative for each forty thousand is tyranny.”
Since the United States Supreme Court has decided to legislate voting districts, the only viable avenue to regain representation for Rural Northern California, is to split the state into a division which will adequately represent the needs, the wishes, the culture, and the Liberty of its people.
The only other way to guarantee representation to the people of Jefferson, is a return to the Federal model of government. Overturn the Sims vs Reynolds decision. We will probably try to do that too.
The movement is apolitical. It has nothing to do with parties, or with issues. We have the right to representation. We have the duty and the responsibility to institute forms of government which fulfill their obligations to the people whom they serve.
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Jefferson Declaration Committee
Tonight, Nov. 4, 2013, all five members of the Fort Jones Town Council, pop. 650, voted in favor of supporting Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors Sept. 3, 2013 approval of the Declaration to withdraw from the State of California.
Mark Baird, spokesman for the Jefferson Declaration Committee, explained the grievances of over-regulation and under-representation in the State of California. Each Assemblyman or woman represents over 455,000 citizens and each Senator represents over 900,000 citizens. Baird explained that a return to representation by county would provide the needed common sense for governance in rural counties.
Baird said he is receiving comments from a few people that say working for a 51st State is just “too hard.” And Baird responded that he hopes this is not the NEW standard for Americans, because Americans have always been able to do the “hard” things.
The earlier part of the Town Council meeting set the perfect scenario for leaving the sinking ship of California and its devastating over-layering of regulations. The town can’t even hire a dog catcher, because of the extensive training and certificates this individual must have; and there are three “vicious” dogs that have threatened children, the Halloween Parade participants, pedestrians and bitten a bicyclist. Red-tape in contracting with the county for animal nuisance problems is even over-whelming.
Potential problems with Obamacare may destroy the volunteer fire department and Emergency Safety crew; and the well-functioning sewer pond must now undergo expensive studies to prove it is working correctly.
Fort Jones Town Council includes: Mayor Tom McCulley and council men and women: Kate Tasem, Loren Berck, Annie Smith and Don Berry.
The room was full with over 30 individuals there to support the Declaration to withdraw from the State of California.
The first few minutes, the background noise of eating is frustrating, but it does get better.
Lots of good info on the hows and whys for the State of Jefferson.
This meeting was held at the Samoa Cookhouse in Eureka, CA.